This. They're pretty close to good, just a few minor tweaks and the 3 Gallente BS's should be pretty sweet.

After sleeping on it:
1. Hey how about giving the Mega it's 8th turret slot so that it can be the fleet ship we all want?[
2. CCP is just screwed with the active repping Hyperion. So, do what you want with it. Give the 8th turret slot to the Mega, and keep this ship in its tiny little niche of "I active rep until I get nueted out or blobbed" so that legion boosting, drug addicts can have fun while playing station games.

Please, look at minmatar, caldari or amarr line up if you want godlike damage projection.

Rails are for fleets. Mega has tracking bonus.

Alot of alliances use Blaster rokhs

Why dont we just all agree that the changes to the domi are great to some extent.
Add drone control range to it and some powergrid and we are fine...

I'd like to see a new model for it too :P ( domi = fat ugly blob )

All I ever put into that high was a cyno or a neut and the cyno saw more action than the neut and was more usefull to have, things tend to run out of hull before they run out of cap. An extra low is going to be far more usefull.

Eh, the active bonus on the Maelstrom doesn't hurt it any for fleet work.

CCP, as said many times in this thread already, the active tanking bonus on the Hyperion ensures that it will never be used in fleet engagements because it will pop after the first enemy volley.

You state that you don't want to give up on active armor tanking and that's fine on smaller ships, but active tanking only works in solo and small group PvP engagements. Generally speaking however most people simply don't do small group or solo PvP in battleships, especially armor battleships as they're too slow and cumbersome, so this means that the active armor tanked Hyp is really only ever gonna get used in PvE.

To give it a meaningful PvP role the local rep bonus either needs to be replaced with Local AND Remote Rep or better yet simply do away with it, raise the armor HP and instead give it some help getting into range of its targets like a 10% bonus to AB and MWD speed or a 20% range bonus to stasis webifiers or warp scramblers per level. In doing so you'll solve many of the blaster boats problems and might make the Hyperion a decent choice for fleet PvP.

Nanos on armor bs? Speed without acceleration and agility? No, they don't really matter, every ship still runs circles around you.

Both tracking and ECCM would be better in the mids.

Yeah, Hype is much better atm. There is zero reason to choose a Mega over a Proteus, it doesn't do anything that the Proteus wouldn't do better. There used to be - a heavy neut.

This latest version of Mega is a failure. Intention was to make it attack battleship, but it got the slot layout of a fleet ship. Yet it doesn't have the tank for fleets or meaningful hull bonus for them, nor the dps at competitive ranges.

Good slot layouts for an attack battleship:

7+1 / 4 / 7 (right, Mega wasn't broken)
7+1 / 5 / 6
7 / 5 / 7

Bad slot layout for attack battleship:

7 / 4 / 8

Blasters dont work in fleets, i explain why in detail on page 25. That said, rail mega does 600 dps from guns at 40km, and can hit to 140km

Gallente:
-Would like a missile hardpoint or two in order to allow the use of defenders.

Megathron Loses a high, loses ehp, loses 50m3 of drone bandwidth and bay, in exchange for 7 ms a sec, and the ROF bonus change. I know it gets another low, but if you lose 2 heavy drones, you have to make your new low a mag stab just to even out with the same dps you just lost. This just doesn't get me excited at all. At the minimum can we have 25m3 of drone bw and bay back please?

CCP Rise, I really liked that 5th mid slot you added, I just wish you would have left that and given the utility high back to make it a 7/5/7 fit with minimum 100m3 drone bw and bay.


If I am wrong about any of this please respectfully point it out and tell me why.

Just going to throw my two cents in here and say that this DOES look like a good idea. Although I'm a bit concerned about the cap draw of a dual rep 8 turret Hyperion.

But does it make sense to be taking an attack battleship and then slapping on so many plates and trimarks that it can compete with an Abbadon in fleet brawling? It's a conceptual flaw in making the Megathron an attack battleship with ehp nerfs and agility buffs that are going to be ignored in favour of plating it anyway.